Curse

Thenameless Wonder · Mar 11, 2010, 01:36 AM // 01:36

I have read on wiki that the player character should be supplying hexes and conditions to enemies to help with discordway. Sever artery + gash + epidemic?

I need input on players who have warriors and run discordway, what works for you? what doesnt

thanks for your time!

magic_man77 · Mar 11, 2010, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Here is the build I have been using for quite some time with my discord team. When enemy is targeted, use 3,2,1 then 7 will give just enough to open all other adrenalin skills. This is a great build when vanquishing in areas where you have little to no energy. with only 20 energy, I still rarely run out. Although, it requires the use of an axe. I prefer axes over swords. Most people prefer swords. Anyway, give it a try or tweek it to what you like. -Gorgon The Brutal

ac1inferno · Mar 11, 2010, 02:37 AM // 02:37

If you're physical, just go Sabway, more synergy with that. Discordway is better for casters who have energy to keep spamming the AP Caller build.

Winterclaw · Mar 11, 2010, 02:44 AM // 02:44

It would help if you read the rules first, namely number 3. What build are you running now and why isn't it working for you?

Thenameless Wonder · Mar 11, 2010, 03:34 AM // 03:34

Im running this atm: OQITEVKbRiHsnYqBPKwAjLGk2AA

I love having a pet but i am not giving conditions so i dont think i am utilizing discordway to its best

Win · Mar 11, 2010, 03:45 AM // 03:45

use asuran scan for a low cost fast recharge hex
warriors have many condition skills in their arsenal or can be taken from secondary
combine with a energy management skill such as warrior's endurance and you should go able to spam conditions+asuran scan as well as allowing your heroes to spam discord like theres no tomorrow

Bal8199 · Mar 11, 2010, 04:34 AM // 04:34

OQcTEVK6ZaBymU7DxSRMmcHUAAA works great for me, only use finish him when needed to avoid running out of energy. Assassin's Promise and YMLAD are only 15 energy - but you get 17 back. If you use a zealous sword mod on a sword with +5 energy you're set.

Hugh Manatee · Mar 11, 2010, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Set one of your discord heroes up with withering aura. Take Asuran Scan. Kill stuff. I like a earth shaker>crude swing>earth shaker combo with pulverizing>auspicious to spike. With wintering aura I can apply weakness faster then enfeebling blood, even if the range is shorter. Used to be auspicious blow needed weakness to activate it's energy gain, now it's cheaper to use and the energy is unconditional(but withering is still strong with crude swing and you wont be blocked if it's an issue). Auspicious used to be able to fuel my bar with me spamming crude and scan on recharge, now it's even better. Withering is also a good cover enchant if you set one of your discord guys to N/Mo for Strength of Honor. I also usually have a necro set for /P so I can have Inspirational speech, to stay charged between fights, for "Fall Back!" or "Find Their Weakness!" and "We Shall Return!".

Anyway I've basically gotten legendary master of the north, legendary vanquisher and guardian with that set up. Hammers own.

Daesu · Mar 11, 2010, 07:05 AM // 07:05

Can you make a warrior work with discordway? Yes, but is it the best choice of 3-heroes build for the warrior? Probably not.

If you are a warrior, you should consider something like spiritway. Discordway works best with a necro and I am sure a warrior with 2 pips of energy regen is not their first choice that the build is designed for. In other words, my necro can probably kill faster using discordway heroes, than your warrior can with his discordway heroes, because you are not playing on the strength of a warrior class if you are using discordway.

Besides discordway is outdated and was created when rits still suck, so the build didn't take the recent rit buffs into account.

**Marty Silverblade** · Mar 11, 2010, 10:41 AM // 10:41

A hero setup that forces you to run something sub-par shouldn't get used. i.e, don't sacrifice a few skills/your entire build to satisfy Discord (so, the build posted by Bal8199 is bad).

1) You can throw Withering Aura on your MM/MB and run Asuran Scan, which is useful for most people anyway, and that'll satisfy Discord.
2) You can run a different hero build that isn't focused towards casters. Discord is outdone by Spiritway, and when I get back to GW I'll be playing around with the new blood stuff and put something together that's better than that.

Cursed Harbinger · Mar 11, 2010, 11:41 AM // 11:41

ive been playin through all the games on my war, with discord. Ive been using.. Sins prom, YMLAD, ebon sin, summon imp, knee cutter, barb slice, gash, and a res or deaths charge. Seem to work v well. Gd luk

Luminarus · Mar 11, 2010, 12:36 PM // 12:36

With my warrior, I much prefer running a sabway variant:

I use myself - D-Slash, Brawling, Steelfang, WWA, Enraging, Flail, FGJ, SY
My AotL Minion Bomber - AotL, Bone Minions, Death Nova, botm, Aegis, PS, sols, optional, either rez or masochism usually
Then the last two is where my damage comes from.

N/Mo SS - SS, MoP, Barbs, enfeebling blood, SoH, Smite (condition or hex depending on area), sols, res chant
Rt/Any SoS Support - SoS, Bloodsong, Ancestors Rage, Splinter Weapon, Soothing Memories, Protective Was Kaolai, Optional, Rez.

Usually popping either painful bond, or rip enchant or something in there. Really depends on scenario. With open secondary its a very useful optional.

If you absolutely MUST go discord, id suggest Asuran Scan + probably sever... but tbh, you can just put the conditions and hexes on the necros... they got enough AoE stuff. Run D-Slash with sever gash. Call target, Sever, Gash, D-Slash. Under A-Scan thats pretty nice damage.

Neo Atomisk · Mar 11, 2010, 12:51 PM // 12:51

asuran scan + jagged strike (endurance daggers) pretty much wins the game with discord.

Daesu · Mar 11, 2010, 03:31 PM // 15:31

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Originally Posted by Cursed Harbinger

ive been playin through all the games on my war, with discord. Ive been using.. Sins prom, YMLAD, ebon sin, summon imp, knee cutter, barb slice, gash, and a res or deaths charge. Seem to work v well. Gd luk

I have seen many comments like that. Many builds can work in pve but that doesn't mean they are optimal. In the worst case, you can also play your warrior like a caster, and wield a staff for more energy. In your case, you are balancing the high energy needs of discord friendly PvE skills (like a caster) with other adrenaline skills of a warrior.

Sins prom is 5e, YMLAD is 10e, ebon sin is 10e, which is already a total of 25e per target. That is a lot of energy for a warrior with only 2 pips of energy regen. Summon ice imp is also 10e but that lasts a while, hopefully. AP returns some energy, but only after the target is dead. If it times out or if you are faced with hex removal, it is going to be a tough fight especially for such a warrior.

This is why I dont think discordway plays on the strength of a warrior, even though you can "force" the build in sub optimally, and is designed more for a caster, especially necros. Also even if you go with the Asuran Scan + 1 fast condition inflicting skill (which is still not as good as the caster options of AP+YMLAD+EVAS+FH from range), you have a new limitation on your warrior build in order to use discordway. Other 3-heroes build, like spiritway, do not need that.

Puddin Cheeks · Mar 11, 2010, 03:41 PM // 15:41

best conditions for dway are weakness, cripple, blindness. Foes dont have to be "fleshy creatures" to affect. i put the newly buffed barbed signet and oppresive gaze on one of my heros for extra conditions flying around.

Hugh Manatee · Mar 11, 2010, 05:52 PM // 17:52

Basically in a discord team with a melee in front, you fill the slot of the ebon vanguard sin, and since melee has like a million skills that do what "finish him" can do and YMLAD you get those PvE slots back to use on SY!, Drunk Master, or other stuff. An earthshaker(or yeti smasher now) can knock out a whole mob, put the conditions, scan and spike it with ground pounds, then repeat the combo with crude, where a AP caller only kd the 1 guy at a time(though he'll quickly move on to the next). Basically Discord for melee is sabway with the curse and resto necros investing a bit in death for discord. You don't need that much to get good numbers out of discord and curses doesn't need that much to function, for a curse hero, put 11 death, 9 curse, 8 soul 8 in whatever, for death MM, it's still 12 death 10/9 whatever 8/9 whatever or i'm finding even a 12/8/8/7 works in most cases, for the resto it's 12 resto, 10 death, 8 soul, then you boost those numbers with whatever runes. Your physical whupass makes up for any loss of offense because of the point spreads.

edit: forgot, because you have SY! you can drop all the over defensive crap on the discordway posted on the wiki and take more offense aand utility too.

Daesu · Mar 12, 2010, 12:25 AM // 00:25

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Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

Basically in a discord team with a melee in front, you fill the slot of the ebon vanguard sin, and since melee has like a million skills that do what "finish him" can do and YMLAD you get those PvE slots back to use on SY!, Drunk Master, or other stuff. An earthshaker(or yeti smasher now) can knock out a whole mob, put the conditions, scan and spike it with ground pounds, then repeat the combo with crude, where a AP caller only kd the 1 guy at a time(though he'll quickly move on to the next). Basically Discord for melee is sabway with the curse and resto necros investing a bit in death for discord. You don't need that much to get good numbers out of discord and curses doesn't need that much to function, for a curse hero, put 11 death, 9 curse, 8 soul 8 in whatever, for death MM, it's still 12 death 10/9 whatever 8/9 whatever or i'm finding even a 12/8/8/7 works in most cases, for the resto it's 12 resto, 10 death, 8 soul, then you boost those numbers with whatever runes. Your physical whupass makes up for any loss of offense because of the point spreads.

edit: forgot, because you have SY! you can drop all the over defensive crap on the discordway posted on the wiki and take more offense aand utility too.

First of all, Discord needs you to slap in a hex and condition for it to start. You should also call your targets to help your heroes AI. You also want to minimize the micro on your hero skills as much as possible.

The problem with melee is, you often need to run up to your target to inflict your conditions and you need a low energy cost, fast recharge, fast casting hex for discord. Most common hex from a melee, would be asuran scan, add in YMLAD for a range condition inflicting skill, that would be 15e and the cost of 2 pve slots already.

For warrior with only 20e energy, you have 5e for your drunken master and somehow come up with another 5e for WE. Then hope for your YMLAD to recharge for the next target while the caster can rely on AP.

I still think that a warrior can do better taking the aggro with his high armor along with skills like Blood Bond and Strength of Honor, put in aoe attacks like splinter weapon, AR, and let your heroes cast RoJ (or other awesome AoE spells) on the mob rather than relying on discord to take them off one at a time.

syphonus · Mar 12, 2010, 01:33 AM // 01:33

Discord with a physical? Why, honestly? Sure, it's mindless, but nowhere near efficient. Disregarding the fact that casters use it so much better than frontliners, it just plain isn't great-- considering that you have MUCH better team options in the way of buffs to your toon.

Get a SoS rit; slap Splinter on him.

Get an ER ele; put friggin' aegis and PS and SoH and Spirit Bond and God knows what else on him.

Put a MM in there too? With like, MoP, and stuff.

see how ya do with that.

Hugh Manatee · Mar 12, 2010, 02:53 AM // 02:53

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Originally Posted by Daesu

First of all, Discord needs you to slap in a hex and condition for it to start. You should also call your targets to help your heroes AI. You also want to minimize the micro on your hero skills as much as possible.

The problem with melee is, you often need to run up to your target to inflict your conditions and you need a low energy cost, fast recharge, fast casting hex for discord. Most common hex from a melee, would be asuran scan, add in YMLAD for a range condition inflicting skill, that would be 15e and the cost of 2 pve slots already.

For warrior with only 20e energy, you have 5e for your drunken master and somehow come up with another 5e for WE. Then hope for your YMLAD to recharge for the next target while the caster can rely on AP.

I still think that a warrior can do better taking the aggro with his high armor along with skills like Blood Bond and Strength of Honor, put in aoe attacks like splinter weapon, AR, and let your heroes cast RoJ (or other awesome AoE spells) on the mob rather than relying on discord to take them off one at a time.

As said, withering aura=mass weakness, asuran scan=many big booms and easy hex. You don't need AP to call targets for discord, you just need either a cheap fast recharging hex or a long lasting AoE hex(I like painful bond on my rt) Also you don't need YMLAD, conditions are easy to apply, especially for a warrior, KDs are also about as easy, even if you have to get up on them. Since I'm the first one in, I get the agro, sort em up into a ball, since I go in charged from inspirational speech or crude swing, I get them all on the ground conditioned and hexed, then comes the unholy fire from the backline.

I do know there's 'better' stuff(i'd usually drop the curse guy for RoJ or a nuker/earther since I got weakness from withering or boot the MMs if there were no bodies), but I've already maxed the guardian, master of the north and squisher titles mostly using this crap in different flavors(before SoS and even AotL got buffed) and had almost none of the issues being described. Even in the narrow downtime when asuran is recharging hexes still go everywhere if you set it up right. I do have splinter and MoP on a guy for AoE, minion chaff, smiting support, a few extra hexes and conditions and all the stuff you mentioned and while using it my energy is constantly fueled by auspicious blow(the old one where it wasn't guaranteed and more expensive, now it's imba, free juice every 5 hits or less unblockable).

Like I said, discord for melee is just sabway with all the elites set for discord.

Daesu · Mar 12, 2010, 04:01 PM // 16:01

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Originally Posted by Hugh Manatee

As said, withering aura=mass weakness, asuran scan=many big booms and easy hex. You don't need AP to call targets for discord, you just need either a cheap fast recharging hex or a long lasting AoE hex(I like painful bond on my rt) Also you don't need YMLAD, conditions are easy to apply, especially for a warrior, KDs are also about as easy, even if you have to get up on them. Since I'm the first one in, I get the agro, sort em up into a ball, since I go in charged from inspirational speech or crude swing, I get them all on the ground conditioned and hexed, then comes the unholy fire from the backline.

Ok, lets compare the condition inflicting efficiency of a caster vs a warrior. Mass weakness is easy, you can take enfeebling blood at the cost of only 1e, 8s recharge or "You are all weaklings!" if you can spare a pve slot. I can also take any condition inflicting spells with Epidemic. The advantage of these skills over withering is you can inflict it from range at an instant and unstrippable since they are not enchantments. You dont need to run to each of these targets to inflict conditions as a caster. With AP, their recharge is not a problem.

As a caster you also have a much wider range of hexes than just asuran scan and a higher energy pool/energy regen to support them.

It is easier and probably faster to inflict conditions and hexes on a target as a caster than a warrior. Why pick a 3-heroes build that works best on a caster and try to fit it in for your warrior? Sure, you can force the square peg into a round hole but it will never fit tightly. A warrior should use a more suitable 3-heroes build that plays on his strengths rather than his weaknesses.

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I do know there's 'better' stuff(i'd usually drop the curse guy for RoJ or a nuker/earther since I got weakness from withering or boot the MMs if there were no bodies), but I've already maxed the guardian, master of the north and squisher titles mostly using this crap in different flavors(before SoS and even AotL got buffed) and had almost none of the issues being described. Even in the narrow downtime when asuran is recharging hexes still go everywhere if you set it up right. I do have splinter and MoP on a guy for AoE, minion chaff, smiting support, a few extra hexes and conditions and all the stuff you mentioned and while using it my energy is constantly fueled by auspicious blow(the old one where it wasn't guaranteed and more expensive, now it's imba, free juice every 5 hits or less unblockable).

Like I said, discord for melee is just sabway with all the elites set for discord.

You are already trying to change discordway into something more warrior friendly.

Like I said, Splinter Weapon+Strength of Honor, Blood Bond, hold aggro and nuke probably works better for a warrior than inflict hex/inflict condition/discord, one target at a time.